Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other’s cup, but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread, but eat not from the same loaf.
Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.
Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping;
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
And stand together yet not too near together;
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other’s shadow.
When it comes to relationships between straight women and men or other couplings of a homosexual nature, is it possible that there can be such a thing as platonic love? Of course opinions differ greatly on this subject. Some would argue that if a couple is in love they would not remain platonic and others would say that if they are platonic they are not actually in love.
There are reasons that a couple may choose to be platonic. I think that amongst those reasons are: religious beliefs, spiritual beliefs, physical limitations and sometimes, even fear. If a couple is choosing to a hold off on a sexual side of their relationship for whatever reason I believe that it is still very possible for them to be completely in love with one another. Perhaps their relationship is built more on affection and pleasures outside of the act of sex. For example, if the couple chooses not to become physical within their union until they are married, it is still entirely possible that they have connected emotionally on such a level that it can be described in no other way than pure love.
On the other side of the fence though, people would say that a relationship that is not sexual in nature is merely and affectionate friendship. The argument here, is that two people can really care for one another and genuinely have feelings but not actually be in love. One could argue that each person’s description of love is different though.
Platonic love seems to have exactly long into our history though. The thought of two people who are committed unconditionally to one another while remaining platonic has been written in stories many times over the years. The actually term “platonic love” dates back to the 15th century. The term, platonic is actually derived from Plato’s symposium concept and has been almost romanticized in our history. This is particularly the case in regards to the English High Court in the days of King Charles the first. In the years to follow however, political and social changes would make the premise of platonic love less popular.
In this day in age though, platonic love is often questioned. People are suspicious of the idea that a couple can harbor deep, emotional feelings towards one another but not engage in sexual activity. People who believe in platonic love and feel that this is a very real form of relationship have often said that the feelings and urges that are experienced with a sexual relationship are often expressed in a different form when in a platonic relationship. Some say it is more an attraction of the mind and that the urges that they experience are transmitted into more of a spiritual connection with the other person. In most cases though, what may start as a friendship can easily evolve into a platonic relationship then platonic love and may eventually lead into a loving relationship that includes sex. Most would agree that a relationship that starts in a form of friendship has the best chance of success as opposed to relationships that start out on a sexual level. This would indicate that platonic love definitely has a place in our society today.
What is your take on Platonic Love? Do you believe in it?
I truly believe in Platonic love. I have a best guy friend whom I can sleep next to without anything happening sexually, or even the thought coming up. He is like a brother to me and we talk about relationships, men/women, love, family, friendship, sports and anything which comes to mind. We have been on vacation together twice and nothing has happened, nor will it. I love him and I always will. Will I wonder? Maybe. Has the thought crossed his mind? Possibly. But it’s love none-the-less. Love is unconditionally being there for someone through thick and thin, feeling for someone through ups and down, accepting faults and applauding triumphs, rolling with the punches and accepting change. It has nothing to do with kissing….that is just an added bonus that the one you love and want to spend your life with can share with you.
ReplyDeleteThanks Kris,
ReplyDelete‘He is like a brother to me’ seems to suggest that what you have is familial affection But yes, I agree with your point that it’s love none-the-less, although in broader term. Personally, I can’t imagine spending my life with someone whom I share everything but my bed. But again, you’re one lucky gal Krist to have such a special best friend.
I think platonic love would most likely entails physical attraction or an appreciation of the other person, though it is spiritual in nature, based on the how Plato defines it. I guess it cant be clearly defined, unless we could observe and measure certain traits of a relationship to be attached to platonic or spiritual love. Besides, it's possible for certain thoughts and desires to be repressed, with regard to Sigmund Freud's theories.
ReplyDeleteStill, I believe true platonic love is possible. The poem reminded me of the story 'Love in the time of cholera', in which Forentino Ariza wrote to Fermina Daza in a letter, "think of love as a state of grace, not the means to anything,....an end in itself." If people's perspective towards love and relationship is such that love does not need to be attached to anything, that it is simply a walk two person takes together, this is possible.
Oops, sorry, I posted on the wrong post. I believe that there is no such thing as platonic love unless some essential parts of interpersonal relationship are missing or dysfunctional!Love breaks down in to sex anyway, so yeah there is never been a "true" relationship which hasn't involved getting down to "ehmmhmm" business.
ReplyDeleteI agree with teokp. Love is considering the self interest of another as though it were your own.
ReplyDeleteMost love is platonic, e.g. Love of country, children, friends & community - but the notion that 'romantic' love cannot be 'true' as any other type is a bit silly.
As is the notion that love cannot be shown in the physical world. If your love never translates into something physical, I would maintain it is meaningless.
The title of this blog simply embarrasses me. Platonic love! Who talks about that anymore? Well, I still think about it. I’m sure most people who read this will simply say, “How pathetic is this guy!” Well, regardless, I would like to believe it exists, especially because we are living in an era where all our lives are dominated by materialistic perspectives and everyday struggles to simply make a living to pursue another struggling day of life.
ReplyDeleteThe other day in my philosophy class, we were talking about platonic love versus romantic love, and how in the days of shakespeare, it was vital to keep them separate. and my brilliant professor, who loves his social statistics, mentioned that the majority of women would rather go to their female friend with their problems than their husbands/significant other. which is interesting, considering that in this day and age, one typically looks for someone they feel both platonic and romantic love for when they’re looking for a husband/wife. in response to this, my professor posited that perhaps that’s why more than half of marriages end in divorce, because we’re with someone that we expect to be everything to us, both friend and lover, and it’s just unrealistic and too great of a weight for a single person to carry.
ReplyDeleteI find the balance between platonic and romantic love to be very delicate; you want to be besties with your significant other, but the passion/sexual attraction has to be there in order to qualify as something beyond just friends; but if you’re all about the romantic passion, you have a relationship with no substance. i’m sure it’s strange for some people to imagine spouses in other cultures who aren’t confidants, and who are together simply for economic or reproductive purposes, but i have to wonder if those people are the ones who have it right, and we’re the ones who are so arrogant to think that we can blend the lines between friendship and sex and be sure that’s the best and right way to do it.
ReplyDeletei’ve been asking my friends who have significant others what their relationship consists more of, platonic or romantic love, and most of them say that it’s primarily platonic. for the most part, they just hang out with their significant other and talk to them like they would with a friend. it seems like platonic love in same-sex friendships is generally really strong (“bros before hos,” etc), and sometimes strong in male-female friendships, depending on the people, i guess. but i wonder if a male-female relationship that is really platonically strong is enhanced or hindered by adding sex into the mix. on the one hand, sex can be a really intense physical bond between two people, a plus; but on the other hand, sex is fairly accessible outside the relationship if the relationship were to go sour, a negative.
ReplyDeletePlatonic love is very much a part of any close friendship. But such a love doesn't always stay platonic. Sometimes it turns into passionate love. Crossing that line, between friendship and love, can be both beautiful and extremely difficult......every decision brings a price, and often that price brings sadness when two friends must part for a time....
ReplyDeleteDepending on context, love can be of different varieties. Romantic love is a deep, intense and unending. It shared on a very intimate and interpersonal and sexual relationship. The term Platonic love, familial love and religious love are also matter of great affection. It is more of desire, preference and feelings. The meaning of love will change with each different relationship and depends more on its concept of depth, versatility, and complexity. But at times the very existence of love is questioned. Some say it is false and meaningless. It says that it never exist, because there has been many instances of hatred and brutality in relationships. The history of our world has witnessed many such events. There has been hatred between brothers, parents and children, sibling rivalry and spouses have failed each other. Friends have betrayed each other; the son has killed his parents for the throne, the count is endless. Even the modern generation is also facing with such dilemmas everyday. But love is not responsible for that. It is us, the people, who have forgotten the meaning of love and have undertaken such gruesome apathy.
ReplyDeleteWhat interests me about your entry is that they give the lie to the cliche that modern people are more in touch with our feelings. I always find it amusing how often we consciously belittle our own feelings. For example by saying "I love X to bits" instead of "I love X" etc. Were people in the past actually more honest about their feelings; more in touch with the intensity of their feelings?
ReplyDeletethink a guy and a girl cannot be 'best friends' without having 'romantic feelings'. What do I mean by best friends? You two have a very close friendship. He/She is the first person you call to talk and share your inner heart issues. You two hang out alot and enjoy each other's company. One can deny that they do not have a crush on each other, but I say you're in denial and even if not both sides, at least one side of the party has been struck by cupid.
ReplyDeleteWhile childhood friendships can be an exception to develop strong bonds without having to fall in love because they have spent an equally a long amount of time together . In that case, they become more like family. They've gone through so much together- through every dry valley and rough sea. They know each other so well that they find it gross to be more than friends.
So as I was saying, totally nonsense to NOT admit you have no affection at all for that guy/girl you just met in high school or college who became your best friend in just a year. Even more obvious if you two become so close in just a few months. No need to be shy, I'm quite sure best friends can become the best couple ever.
Strictly platonic love is possible. I have a best friend that I have known for about 10 years now. We have both been there for each other during very difficult times in our lives...
ReplyDeleteThat being said, neither of us have EVER in ANYWAY even contemplated a sexual relationship! Sex would do nothing more than RUIN our friendship! And we would NEVER allow that to happen .
Sex does not have to be a precursor to love...I don't care WHAT kind of love we're talking about. One doesn't always have to have sexual relations with someone they love. As well, we don't always marry our soul mates either. Sometimes our soul mate is someone that just helps us get through life, but doesn't mean it is someone we have to marry or have sexual relations with.
In simple terms, it never exists in stable form. Its always teetering on the edge. One of the members in the equation ends up wanting more.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately with increasing worries about holding down the job, kids getting good careers, insufficient pension plans, aging parents etc. many people are into platonic love with their spouses as early as 40's.
ReplyDeleteVery true G.Y., but too serious..... However, the platonic love which is being discussed here is not related to married life.. :-)
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